Deneyim & Özgür İrade / Experience & Free Will

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[…] Mesajlarımın çoğu yaşamınızda uygulanmıyor. Çünkü bazılarının doğruluğundan kuşkulanıyor, bazılarının uygulanması zor geliyor. Çoğu da yanlış anlaşılıyor. Büyük bir kısmı ise algılanmıyor bile. En güçlü iletişim deneyim olmasına rağmen, bunu bile göz ardı ediyorsunuz. Hatta özellikle deneyimi göz ardı ediyorsunuz.

Eğer deneyimlerinizin mesajlarını algılıyor olsaydınız, yaşamınız şu andaki gibi olmayacaktı. Deneyimlerinizin mesajlarını dinlemediğiniz için aynı deneyimleri tekrar ve tekrar, tekrar ve tekrar yaşıyorsunuz. Benim amacım sulandırılamaz, iradem göz ardı edilemez. Mesajı alacaksınız. Er ya da geç …

Sizi asla buna zorlamayacağım. Asla sizi kandırmayacağım. Çünkü size özgür irade verdim: seçimlerinizde özgür olabilmeniz için. Bu seçim özgürlüğünü asla sizden geri almayacağım. Ve size aynı mesajları tekrar ve tekrar göndermeye devam edeceğim; binlerce yıl sürse de. Evrenin neresinde olursanız olun, sonsuza dek mesajlarımı göndermeyi sürdüreceğim, ta ki    siz onları algılayana, kucaklayana, kendiniz olduğunuzu hissedene dek.

Mesajlarım milyonlarca yıl boyunca, binlerce anlarda, yüzlerce şekilde size ulaşacak. Gerçekten dinlemeyi bilirseniz, onları duymamanız mümkün değil. İşte o zaman iletişimimiz başlayacak. Geçmişte yalnızca siz (Bana) konuştunuz Ama Beni duymazdan geldiniz. Bazen, ‘ya yoksa’ diyerek Ben’i aşağıladınız, bazen de ‘ya varsa’ diyerek korkudan yüceleştirdiniz. Şimdi ise sizinle konuşuyorum, hep yaptığım gibi.

Bu iletişimin Tanrı’yla olduğunu nereden bilebilirim? Ya bu benim hayal ürünümse?

Ne fark ederdi ki. Herhangi bir başka yolla olduğu gibi hayallerinle de sana ulaşabileceğimi hala anlayamıyor musun? Sana amacın doğrultusunda herhangi bir anda, doğru düşünceleri, duyguları, sözleri getiriyorum; bir yolla ya da birçok yolla.

Bunların Benden geldiğini bil! Çünkü asla böylesine net düşünmedin, ifade etmedin. Eğer daha önce sorularını böyle netlikle sormuş olsaydın, şimdi bana sor sorma gereği duymazdın. […]

[…] Eğer Tanrı’nın hayatınızdaki her şeyin yaratıcısı ve karar vericisi olduğuna inanıyorsanız, yanılıyorsunuz. Tanrı gözlemcidir, yaratıcı değil. Tanrı yaşamınızda her an size yardımcı olmaya hazırdır ama sizin beklediğiniz yollarla değil.

Yaşamınızdaki olayları ya da koşulları yaratmak veya ortadan kaldırmak Tanrı’nın fonksiyonlarından biri değildir. Tanrı sizi, Tanrı imajında ve benzerinde yarattı. Gerisini Tanrı’nın size verdiği güçle siz yarattınız. Tanrı yaşam sürecini ve yaşamın kendisini yarattı, fakat size özgür seçim de verdi, ne yapmak istediğinizi seçme özgürlüğü size ait.

Bu anlamda, kendiniz için istediğiniz, Tanrı’nın sizin için istediğidir.

Hayatınızı kendi seçtiğiniz yolda yaşıyorsunuz ve benim bu konuda bir tercihim yoktur.[…]

“Tanrı ile Sohbet”, 1.Kitap, Neale Donald Walsch

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3 Responses to Deneyim & Özgür İrade / Experience & Free Will

  1. […] the only question remaining is whether My messages will be heeded.

    Most of My messages are not. Some, because they seem too good to be true. Others, because they seem too difficult to follow. Many, because they are simply misunderstood. Most, because they are not received.

    My most powerful messenger is experience, and even this you ignore. Especially this you ignore.

    Your world would not be in its present condition were you to have simply listened to your experience. The result of your not listening to your experience is that you keep re-living it, over and over again. For My purpose will not be thwarted, nor My will be ignored. You will get the message. Sooner or later. I will not force you to, however. I will never coerce you. For I have given you a free will—the power to do as you choose—and I will never take that away from you, ever.

    And so I will continue sending you the same messages over and over again, throughout the millennia and to whatever corner of the universe you occupy. Endlessly will I send you My messages, until you have received them and held them close, calling them your own.

    My messages will come in a hundred forms, at a thousand moments, across a million years. You cannot miss them if you truly listen. You cannot ignore them once truly heard. Thus will our communication begin in earnest. For in the past you have only talked to Me, praying to Me, interceding with Me, beseeching Me. Yet now can I talk back to you, even as I am doing here.

    How can I know this communication is from God? How do I know this is not my own imagination?

    What would be the difference? Do you not see that I could just as easily work through your imagination as anything else? I will bring you the exact right thoughts, words or feelings, at any given moment, suited precisely to the purpose at hand, using one device, or several.

    You will know these words are from Me because you, of your own accord, have never spoken so clearly. Had you already spoken so clearly on these questions, you would not be asking them.[…]

    […] If you believe that God is the creator and decider of all things in your life, you are mistaken.

    God is the observer, not the creator. And God stands ready to assist you in living your life, but not in the way you might expect.It is not God’s function to create, or uncreate, the circumstances or conditions of your life. God created you, in the image and likeness of God. You have created the rest, through the power God has given you. God created the process of life and life itself as you know it. Yet God gave you free choice, to do with life as you will.

    In this sense, your will for you is God’s will for you.

    You are living your life the way you are living your life, and I have no preference in the matter.[…]

    “Conversation with God”, Book 1, Neale Donald Walsch

  2. Azim Looker says:

    I am not familiar with this gentleman, but he appears to say God while not overtly coercing us, is brainwashing us, by “repeating the same messages over and over again” “across a million years”… as to “Experience and Free Will” (İrade) Ibn ‘Arabi as far as I understand it, is saying that from our point of view we have moment to moment the ability to choose – free will. When these choices have been made THEN we can say of the results “this was destiny” (Qadr). The arrogance of presuming to speak for the Absolute Source, it goes without saying, points to a very deeply disturbed personality putting words into “god’s” mouth…there is a threatening sense in “For My purpose will not be thwarted, nor My will be ignored. You will get the message”…

    “For My purpose will not be thwarted, nor My will be ignored. You will get the message. Sooner or later. I will not force you to, however. I will never coerce you. For I have given you a free will—the power to do as you choose—and I will never take that away from you, ever.”

    “And so I will continue sending you the same messages over and over again, throughout the millennia and to whatever corner of the universe you occupy. Endlessly will I send you My messages, until you have received them and held them close, calling them your own.”

    “My messages will come in a hundred forms, at a thousand moments, across a million years. You cannot miss them if you truly listen. You cannot ignore them once truly heard. Thus will our communication begin in earnest. For in the past you have only talked to Me, praying to Me, interceding with Me, beseeching Me. Yet now can I talk back to you, even as I am doing here.”

    • Dear Azim, huuuuu

      In the absolute, you are completely right and I (Nalan) appreciate you showing me the limit of this “genre”. What do we do with people, that have no connection at all with anything spiritual? How can we create bridges and stairs to help them climb towards more awareness, towards their real role within universe? All the saints and mystics talk about a Divine Plan, but for many these are islands with no access due to modern lives disconnections. Please keep in mind that these samplers from “Conversation with God” are published within the category “Popular Book Excerpts”. We intend here to publish many texts that have shown a great impact on people, especially on those who had not the chance to receive a qualitative spiritual education. What Neale Donald Walsch is doing, is using an artificial technique to lay the foundations for these people to start searching by themselves for deeper knowledge. Like Elif Şafak has done it with “Aşk”, Paulo Coelho with “The Alchemist”, Stefano D’Anna with “School for Gods”, etc… These books were a valuable entrance for me into spirituality and I feel grateful towards them.

      Blessings.

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